NPR’s Scott Simon talks with musician and rapper Mick Jenkins about inventive freedom and his newest album, “The Endurance.”


Mick Jenkins has been considering rather a lot about how he makes music. On his newest album “The Endurance,” the rapper says he is lastly come into his personal.


MICK JENKINS: (Rapping) Ay, audio system knock, however I did not get in by my lonely. Lighters up, I bought to burn one for the homies that ceaselessly stayed down for the reason that solely island that we seen was stony – water murky, that joint felt extra just like the Everglades.

SIMON: Mick Jenkins joins us now from Los Angeles. Thanks a lot for being with us.

JENKINS: Thanks for having me.

SIMON: You grew up in Chicago and in Huntsville, Ala. What do you suppose you discovered from every place?

JENKINS: Yeah, fairly the dichotomy. I used to be born in Huntsville, Ala. I used to be there till my mother and father separated and began their divorce. I feel I used to be round 7 years outdated. I bear in mind coming to Chicago on a Greyhound bus and simply seeing – it was the immensity of the town instantly.

SIMON: Yeah.

JENKINS: The buildings reaching as much as the sky – all of that was one thing that I had by no means actually skilled earlier than, particularly coming from a a lot slower metropolis the place I feel our largest constructing on the time was a resort (laughter), was the Embassy Suites – so, very totally different expertise. Very early, my mom inspired me to, like, discover the town on the practice…

SIMON: Yeah.

JENKINS: …And so – most likely one of many largest issues that I discovered that I most likely nonetheless carry with me in the present day so far as how I moved all through the world.

SIMON: Yeah. You took the L?

JENKINS: Sure. Yeah, that was one of many first issues I needed to study if I used to be going to have the ability to get across the metropolis by myself – the L and the bus.

SIMON: We’ll clarify that though you rode the L as a teen and a youngster, you are in a automobile now since you stay in Los Angeles. So we will – we’d hear a number of the visitors noise. I’ve learn that you simply found spoken phrase poetry in highschool and this type of set you off. What sort of connection did poetry make?

JENKINS: Nicely, my mom had at all times inspired writing. She was heavy into journalism. I feel she had an promoting job early on earlier than she moved to Chicago. All I bear in mind largely is that she was a stickler for our writing at school. And so inventive writing and all kinds of writing I used to be at all times inquisitive about.

I discovered poetry by means of Def Poetry Jam on YouTube – hours and hours of watching that footage. And it related to me as a author simply because that was one thing already that I used to be, you understand, by means of my mom’s instruction, changing into well-versed in. And I did not have to write down a whole essay to attempt to get a degree throughout. I could possibly be as humorous or as flippant or as direct as I needed to be. And I feel that was very fascinating to me.

I typically let individuals know that the transition from poetry to full-on rapping was really very refined for me due to the those who I used to be round. It began with a gaggle of men that had been in a poetry group that I used to be in known as Artwork and Soul. Just a few of them rapped, and simply being subsequent to them and sharpening my pencil subsequent to theirs is the place I, you understand, determined to write down my first rap. And it did not look like such a transition for me. It simply appeared like, nicely, that is what my different poet pals are doing. I am going to do that kind as nicely.

SIMON: By the way in which, that is an amazing phrase – sharpening my pencil subsequent to theirs.

JENKINS: Yeah. Iron sharpens iron – in that case, graphite, graphite (laughter).

SIMON: Yeah. Nicely, let me ask you about, for instance, this music, “007.”


JENKINS: (Rapping) Observe me, I bought moose tracks. The fitting two cents is value two racks. I discuss that outdated jazz, a la Dave Brubeck. Push keys so dope, made you sweat. C notes so candy underneath flames made brulee. Who let the canines out? Watch n***** get maimed to demise. Who left? We finna go all out. Albuterol gave new breath with pump motion. Dodge the hate with the identical two-step.

SIMON: Do I hear a bit of jazz affect in there, along with every little thing else?

JENKINS: Completely. I shout out Dave Brubeck, you understand (laughter).

SIMON: Yeah.

JENKINS: It is the place I began. We used loads of jazz affect once I made “The Waters,” and that has continued all through my profession. Why would not it, you understand? I feel it is a…

SIMON: Yeah.

JENKINS: …Nice style to experiment in naturally with a number of the instrumentalists that we have had on the album. And it is undoubtedly an amazing style to pattern and discover inspiration from that means, which is one thing that we do. You heard the horn within the background. The extra that I get turned on to, the extra that I am impressed.

And I feel it is a large a part of the angle in my music as nicely. It is a large a part of the way in which that I write – that perceived randomness with path and splashes of issues, that accent. I feel that is a – it is undoubtedly a means that I like to write down as nicely. I inform individuals I like to create a sample simply to interrupt it, and I feel that could be very a lot throughout the soul of jazz.

SIMON: Do you are feeling freer now than you probably did in a few of your earlier recordings?

JENKINS: Completely. I used to be disgruntled in my state of affairs for good causes, and it affected my skill to do my greatest as an artist. , I feel as an artist, we create from an emotional place. Our connection to our artwork is emotional. Plenty of the themes that I push and messages that I am attempting to get throughout are greater than me in my eyes.

And being in a state of affairs the place I am uncomfortable – it should have an effect on how I create. And it did. And something that I may lump in that class is now not what I am coping with. And it offers you an amazing breath of contemporary air. And it offers me the area to be like, OK, now I can give attention to precisely what I wish to give attention to.

SIMON: Let me ask you about “Smoke Break-Dance.”


JENKINS: (Rapping) And I hold rolling up. Weed blowing down. Weed blowing up. Scorching air in me. We going up – nonetheless is. No toes going up. Charges going up. We pouring up. We throwing up gang indicators. Bushes going up in flames – discover us a forest fireplace each smoke break. We opened up weak area, n****. We gave our hangtime. We attempting to reclaim time. We finna rebuild – no Dwelling Depot with us, individuals with us that come from the FaceTime. Low-key just like the bassline, bought smoke and I hold rolling up.

SIMON: What is the story of this music?

JENKINS: I am a smoker. I am an avid smoker. I am in a weed-legal metropolis, so I get pleasure from myself. I heard a smoking music, however I mentioned to myself, not one other smoking music – not one other one, proper? And so I then started to discover, all proper, nicely, what can I do to tug out a theme right here, proper?

And I feel it may be innocent, and it could actually appear innocent. However while you actually begin to look at why that is one thing that you simply proceed to do, you may discover that you simply do have addictive habits. And so within the video, we’re really not speaking about smoking an excessive amount of. We’re speaking about how younger males can have concepts strengthened by means of their manhood which can be harmful to themselves and folks round them. However these are issues that reinforce concepts of violence and tips on how to deal with battle that are not one of the best.

Similar to smoking, the unfavourable results of that behavior often aren’t seen till later – a lot later. It begins with that, what I say on the refrain – that I hold rolling up, I hold, I hold, I hold rolling up. And that is how I attempted to assault the message of that music. However on the floor, you understand, it feels like one other smoking music (laughter).

SIMON: Boy, however it’s much more than that, is not it?

JENKINS: Completely. I like doing that. I like having a factor so that you can unpack, having one thing so that you can hearken to time and again and spot one thing on the thirty seventh time that you simply did not discover on the third.

SIMON: Wow. Mick Jenkins – his fourth album, “The Endurance,” is out now. Thanks a lot for being with us.

JENKINS: Oh, thanks for having me. I recognize it.


JENKINS: (Rapping) And I hold rolling up. Weed blowing down, weed blowing up. Scorching air in me. We going up – nonetheless is. No toes going up. Charges going up. We pouring up. We throwing up gang indicators. Bushes going up in flames. Discover us a forest fireplace each smoke break.

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